Tuesday, November 3, 2009

VO2max and Race Performance

Here's an interesting one. I got an email from a road cyclist who, along with four teammates, was tested for VO2max and various other things recently. He wonders how the data he and his buddies got from the testing could be of help. I'm not going to go into all of that here, but will do so at another time. I'd like to take a look at something else related to the test data - what determines the outcome of races.

To set the stage, here's the most basic data--the tested VO2max of each rider and his power at VO2max:

-Kevin(age 36) VO2max = 65, power at VO2max = @550w

-Mike (age 53) VO2max = 71, power at VO2max = @520w

-Matt (age 43) VO2max = 66, power at VO2max = @500w

-Marc (age 48) VO2max = 56, power at VO2max = @425w

-Nick (age 45) VO2max = 47, power at VO2max = @450w


Not knowing anything else about these riders but assuming all other things were equal, if they each did a 40k time trial who would you put your money on? Would it be Mike with the highest VO2max of 71, Kevin with the highest power output of 550w, or one of the others?

Before answering the question let me tell you more about these two variables. VO2max, also called "aerobic capacity," is a measure of how much oxygen your body uses when exercising at a maximal effort for an extended period of time. It is typically measured with the athlete wearing a breathing apparatus that determines how much oxygen is inhaled and how much is exhaled. The difference is what was used by the muscles to produce energy. The more oxygen one can use, the more aerobically fit that person is. We know that the elite cyclists in the pro peloton all have quite high VO2max levels. Should we test all of the riders at the start of one of the Grand Tours I'm sure we'd find they all are at least at a level of 70 (milliliters of oxygen per kilogram of body weight per minute). The same would be true of the elite male runners at the start of last Sunday's New York City Marathon. The elite women there would probably have tested about 10% lower.

So it sounds like Mike with the highest VO2max is where you should put your money, right? Let's examine this a little closer.

If we did indeed test all of the pro riders at the start line of a bike time trial race and then ranked them from the highest VO2max at the top to the lowest at the bottom, how would that compare with how the race actually finished? Would the highest VO2max win the race and the lowest finish last? Not at all. This has been done in several different sudies and the research has found no relationship between race results ranking and VO2max ranking - among elite athletes. Does that seem strange? Frank Shorter proved a long time ago that it isn't strange at all.

When Shorter was at the height of his running career in the 1970s his VO2max was about 72. That's very pedestrian for a world-class runner. One his top competitors was Bill Rodgers who had been found to have a peak VO2max of about 78. Even though Shorter's was 8% lower than Rodgers' aerobic capacity, Shorter usually won when they went head to head. In fact, Shorter proved to be one of the top marathon runners in the world with Olympic Gold and Silver medals along with wins in most of the major marathons of the day.

Back in 1989 I was invited by a friend to go for a run with Shorter and Rodgers in Boulder, Colorado. It was the first time the two had ever run together in a workout. Running with Shorter on my left and Rodgers on my right it was quite obvious why Shorter was so dominant despite a rather mundane VO2max. He ran like water flowing downhill, like a cloud passing by. There was no excess motion. No wasted energy. He was the definition of smooth. Rodgers, on the other hand, could be seen out of the corner of my eye and appeared to be some sort of Victorian machine with flywheels, crank arms, pistons and steam engines. He oscillated up and down, his arms swung across and around his body, and one leg had a flail to it in recovery. Shorter wasted none of his 72 VO2max; Rodgers wasted a great deal of his.

You see, there's much more to being fast than just aerobic capacity. At the elite level it's just a "ticket to the club." If you want to be an elite athlete you need to have a high VO2max. But that just gets you to the start line. To compete well you also must be economical like Shorter was and you need an anaerobic/lactate threshold at a high percentage of your VO2max. Shorter was undoubtedly excellent in this last category also. I've never seen any numbers on that for him.

Now back to our five teammates... You should be able to pick the TT winner by now. It's Kevin, the one with the highest power output at VO2max. Given the choice of a high VO2max or a high power output at a lower VO2max, always pick power. It should be obvious that the person who can put out the most power when at his top end is the person who is most likely to win. There's a close relationship between power and the results of a race. In the same way, if you know the paces a group of runner can do at VO2max you have the best indicator of how the race results will come out.

Running races and time trials are won by the fastest athletes, not by the athletes with the highest aerobic capacities. It's like asking all of the runners at the 10k starting line in your age group what their best 10k times have been in the last 8 weeks. Assuming comparable courses, you can quite closely predict how the 10k race will finish. Of course, there will be a few minor variations due to motivation, race-morning diet, fatigue, injuries and a few other factors. Power on a bike is much the same. It's a great predictor of performance.

Now with my luck Kevin will post a comment here saying that Mike usually beats him in time trials.

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At November 3, 2009 7:14 PM , Blogger Richard Siegel said...

I would assume you've normalized the weight of all the riders, as power/weight ratio would definitely affect the finish order. And to your main point, how does one measure economy/efficiency - is that really best measured via a time trial?

 
At November 3, 2009 7:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't a 40k TT primarily determined by power at lactate threshold, rather than VO2 max?

 
At November 3, 2009 7:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to know what kind of VO2 protocol they were using.

Thanks,

Collin

 
At November 3, 2009 8:05 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post. I really enjoy reading your blog - lots of insight.
I should go get tested - it will confirm why I don't ride a bike very fast.

 
At November 3, 2009 8:42 PM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

Richard--As mentioned, if everything else was the same. But, of course, weight is not a significant factor in a flat TT.

 
At November 3, 2009 8:43 PM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

Anon--Power at VO2max is also a good predictor of power at LT. And, again, assuming all other things (% of VO2max power for FTP).

 
At November 4, 2009 12:37 AM , Anonymous ole.k said...

Average Speed = (VO2Max x UtilizationFactor) / Work-Economy

UtilizationFactor has a relationship to LT.

Work Economy is Frank vs Rodgers.

Regards,
ole.k

 
At November 4, 2009 6:42 AM , Anonymous Greg Hanson said...

Joe, great topic! Isn't the key to dramatic RR performance increasing Vo2 Max and should we not focus over the season on that as our key measure over the typical LT measures, etc.??

 
At November 4, 2009 8:14 AM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

Greg--Road races (not TTs or triathlons) are generally won by someone who makes the selection. These selections tend to happen during brief episodes on hills. Something in the range of 2-3 minute episodes. During these 2-3 minutes the rider must be able to produce very high power. That power typically is CP6 or higher. CP6 is the power you produce at about VO2max. So, yes, focusing on VO2max efforts is key to RR success.

 
At November 4, 2009 8:58 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm terrified to be tested for the very reason of finding out I'm in a terrible range of VO2 max, all my friends are tested. In a race at an average heart rate of 183bpm in an olympic or half iron triathlon, and at an average power of 250W (138lbs)on the bike, I'm sure I would be dissapointed to know my VO2 max. I would hate to have my dreams crushed at making it to Kona because I found I had a 45 VO2 max.

 
At November 4, 2009 9:25 AM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

Anon--VO2max is not a predictor of potential any more than a single race result is.

 
At November 4, 2009 11:26 AM , Anonymous Ted said...

Joe, why do you correlate maximum oxygen uptake with fitness? You write, "The more oxygen one can use, the more aerobically fit that person is."

My understanding is that V02Max is a genetic gift that is fully realized with 18 months of intensive training. Couldn't someone with a lower V02Max be more fit than someone with higher V02Max as a result of training?

 
At November 4, 2009 12:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You tested these riders' power at VO2 max with breathing machines, but for the rest of us, is power at VO2 max what we could average on a 5-minute effort?

Thanks!

 
At November 4, 2009 1:06 PM , Blogger dave said...

From coaching perspective. It appears you've tested your athletes (if these examples are your clients). Does that imply you do find some value in the test results in aspects aside from predicting race results?

 
At November 4, 2009 1:25 PM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

Ted--To quote a famous President of the US, "It depends on what you mean by fit." Race performance and fitness are not the same thing.

 
At November 4, 2009 1:26 PM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

Anon--I didn't test them. But, yes, power at VO2max is about the highest power you can maintain for 5-6 minutes.

 
At November 4, 2009 1:28 PM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

dave--These weren't my coached athletes. I do have my athletes tested, however. Some day I'll talk here about what I do with the data.

 
At November 4, 2009 1:31 PM , Anonymous Greg Hanson said...

Joe, many thanks for those comments on Vo2 Max as important training metric for RR. Since short 1 minute to 3 minute power is so critical....Would it be appropriate to use PowerTap Watts 1-3min average as the key metric? Should it be Average or Normalized? Just trying to get a read on the correct number to set some goals for 2010! Thanks.

 
At November 4, 2009 1:41 PM , Blogger Patrik said...

Thanks Joe, I cannot afford a coach, but the Self-Coached mode of TP and your Blog are perfect substitute.

Could you please write on a flat 10-15 miles good level ITT?

Thanks again.

Patrik

 
At November 4, 2009 1:48 PM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

greg--Yes, you can do that. Just use average. That way you can observe it real time.

 
At November 4, 2009 1:50 PM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

patrik--I've written quite a bit on pacing for such events in the past year since I race a 10-mile TT series in the summer. Was there something more specific you were thinking of?

 
At November 4, 2009 2:05 PM , Blogger Patrik said...

Where can I find your previous comments on a short ITT? It is not about pacing, but rather training. Patrik

 
At November 4, 2009 2:09 PM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

patrik--I haven't written about training for short ITT. Perhaps later. Just search archives (right side of blog home page) for previous articles on TTing.

 
At November 5, 2009 10:46 AM , Blogger Curtis said...

I would think that the rider's aerodynamics, at least on a flat TT course, could also make a significant difference negating someone who had a higher wattage output but who was also less aerodynamic.

 
At November 5, 2009 1:45 PM , Anonymous Darren said...

My first question when asked who would win was... how much does each person weigh? If Mike weighs 150lbs(68kg), his Power to weight ratio is 7.65. If Kevin weighs 160lbs(73kg), his power to weight ratio is 7.53, making Mike the stronger cometitor. If they are equal weight, then Kevin should win.

 
At November 6, 2009 7:26 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who are these guys? Kevin has a VO2max of "only" 65 so "no ticket to the club" but with a 5MP of 550W he presumably has an FTP of 400+W !This I would have thought guarantees entry to all but the most exclusive clubs?
SB

 
At November 6, 2009 7:27 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe, your comparison of Shorter to Rogers was at marathon distance but in the 3000 meter event, Shorter and Prefontane had PB's of within a second of each other. Prefontane's vo2max score was in the low to mid-80's.

 
At November 6, 2009 12:01 PM , Anonymous Andrew Coggan said...

Unless the riders in question are all the size of heavyweight rowers, the data are clearly incorrect.

 
At November 9, 2009 9:25 AM , Anonymous kevin said...

Yes, incorrect data! The power numbers were max power, at exhaustion not at VO2 Max. Though I wish they were true.

 
At November 11, 2009 11:06 AM , Blogger Adam Dawdy said...

The three legs of aerobic performance are VO2 max, lactate threshold, and skill (efficiency/economy). VO2 max alone is a poor predictor, but with lactate threshold (as a % of VO2 max) becomes more meaningful.

Skill includes both mechanical and psychological factors, and is much harder to measure. This is why we actually race, instead of just forecasting. There's a lot more to racing, and every other sport, than just being a physical beast.


apelotonic.blogspot.com

 
At November 12, 2009 7:08 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Author says:
"Not knowing anything else about these riders but assuming all other things were equal..."

Otherwise power to weight ratio is the most accurate indicator for me too.

 
At January 4, 2010 9:13 PM , Blogger Jeremy said...

Joe - love the blog. I once read somewhere on here where you threw out some typical pro male triathlete FTP and CP30 numbers but I am unable to locate them now. Forgive me for asking, but could you point me in the right direction? Thx

 
At January 5, 2010 5:46 AM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

Jeremy--Could it be this one? http://www.trainingbible.com/joesblog/2008/10/llanos-power-hawaii-2008.html

 
At February 4, 2010 4:26 AM , Blogger Gordon said...

I've recently done a few VO2Max tests for some research guys, I've got the raw data which puts my VO2Max around 60. But what do you mean by VO2Max power? Is this the final power at which I had to stop (finished with lactate at 11mmol/l!) or the average for the final minute (a la VO2Max)

My final power was 390 watts, but I've never been able to get above 350W for five minutes and that was in the summer!

 
At February 4, 2010 9:19 AM , Blogger Joe Friel said...

Gordon--Power when you reached VO2max on test. CP6 is a good indicator of this also. (Some would say CP5).

 

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